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  1. Сегодня пытался перешить через TFT Downloader.но не вышло.программа не начала загрузку ПО в ресивер.Ресивер живой:время показывает правильно,при вкл L231 ,дальше ничего,но винд разворачивается.При ОТКЛ WAIT.

    я думаю ничего страшного.. Бери флешку - чем старее тем лучше - новые супер большие топ7710 плохо читает, хотя может это только у меня и это от ревизии зависит.. я прошиваю флешкой размером 256 метров. :-) Форматируй ее на всяк случай, копируй на нее файл родной прошивки от Topfield 7710 на которую надо откатить рес и переименуй его в topfield.tfd - именно так - следи за регистром буковок..

    Вставляй флешку в рес - включай его = по идее после загрузки лоадера рес должен начать искать этот файл на шлешке.. он его успешно заливает.. И.. все.. Еще был у меня вариант - когда был косяк с винтом. Тоже - результат экспериментов перепрошивки на эту неофициальную, так сказать.. Тупо раскрутил ресивер, вытащил винт, подключил к компу, удалил все разделы какой нить программой типа PQ Magic . Всунул назад.. Форматнул уже потом средствами родной прошивкм для 7710. Все.. Думаю поможет. Кстати там ведь в момент загрузки 7710 есть возможность через терминал по COM порту наблюдать за всеми его действиями и состояниями. Думаю должно быть интересно понять, что его сваливает.

    Удачи.

  2. Help. Я прошил Топфилд 7710 Enigma2, но при поиске каналов,каналов не нашло.Обратно прошил родной прошивкой,прошивка стала нормально,но форматнулся винд.Потом решил еще раз поставить Enigma 2,но при установке произошел какой-то сбой.Теперь ресивер не включается.Что делать? ПОМОГИТЕ.

    заливаем прошивку через ком порт... Он вообще не дышит? На флешку как реагирует?

    По ходу я рано обрадовался.

    Сушествуют два ресивера TOPFIELD 7700 - TF 7700 HSCI и 7700 HD PVR. Так у товарища оказался TOPFIELD TF 7700 HSCI, а прошивка по ходу сделана на TOPFIELD 7700 HD PVR. Просто пробовать боязно, рес все таки чужой. Насторожился, когда заглянув сзади не увидел LAN-разъема, только RS 232. Ведь, насколько я могу судить, инигма не работает через СОМ-порт? Или я все же ошибаюсь?

    Я опечален.

    нет. ты не ошибаешься.. прошивка только для 7700 HD-PVR НУ и 7710 HD-PVR КОНЕЧНО....

  3. Спасибо. А энигму на топфилд7700 только с внутренним винтом или и с USB можно? У меня с USB.

    в файле Enigma_Installer.ini есть параметры для настройки, в том числе и куда ставить Энигму..

    # Enigma_Installer commands

    #

    # no_partition : do not partition the hdd but format sda1. This will leave your

    # recordings intact.

    #

    # no_format : do not partition or format the hdd. This will leave your recordings

    # and all your files on the system partition intact.

    #

    # no_update : do not install the root file system. This will normaly just make sense

    # together with no_format.

    #

    # keep_settings: this command will copy several configuration files from the disk into

    # the subdirectory "e2settings" of your stick. After the root file system

    # has been installed, these files will be copied back onto the hdd.

    # Info: the backup does not occur if the directory "e2settings" already

    # exists. Delete it to create a new backup of the setting files.

    #

    # usb_hdd : This command will install Enigma2 to a USB HDD. Detach the USB stick

    # when requested and attach a USB HDD.

    #

    # To activate the following commands, remove the _

    nopartition

    no_format

    no_update

    keep_settings

    usb_hdd

    Думаю там понятно написано..

    Самое главное -

    файл ReleaseNotesTF7700 мало кто читает = поэтому тут разверну -

    Это важно, Будьте осторожны - не все ресиверы этими нитками шить можно - :

    - The only supported tuner type is DVB-S2 CX24116/CX24118.

    The provided image is based on the Linux operating system and includes

    the Enigma2 PVR application. Please read this document carefully before

    installing the image.

    New features and bugfixes (since 0.4.1)

    ---------------------------------------

    + Feature: o fast forward works at speeds higher than 8x

    o rewind now works at a constant speed (looks like 4x)

    + Change: enabled yellow button for subservice selection

    + Change: enabled resolution 576i in videomode plugin

    + Change: enabled frame rates 23.97, 24, 25, 29.97 and 30 Hz for

    1080p in videomode plugin

    + Change: enabled the keys < and > for volume control if no menus are shown

    IMPORTANT: In order to activate this feature do not use

    "keepsettings" in the ini file. Otherwise the mapping will not

    be installed. If you install with "keepsettings" and would like

    to use volume keys then replace the file

    /usr/local/share/enigma2/keymap.xml with the one from the

    corresponding folder of rootfs.tar.gz.

    + Change: enabled media highway EPG

    + Fix: improved HDMI handling to resolve issues with some LCDs

    + Fix: improved resolution selection (green button)

    + Fix: fixed the fast forward behavior for TS playback at speeds lower than 16x

    + Fix: fixed the fast forward and seek behavior for MKV playback

    + Fix: fixed sporadic problems with old frames in a live stream (flashbacks,

    also known as "deinterlacing bug")

    Unsupported features and known problems

    ---------------------------------------

    - The only supported tuner type is DVB-S2 CX24116/CX24118.

    - Temporary loss of sync if timeshift is unpaused within 6-7 seconds after

    its activation.

    Workaround: do not unpause timeshift in the first 8 seconds.

    - Rewind works only at a constant speed.

    - With "AC3 downmix on" there is no sound on optical when AC3 stream is

    selected. With "AC3 downmix off" the system migt freeze when zapping to

    channels with AC3.

    - There are problems with switching between different satelleites via Diseqc.

    It takes several seconds to tune to a channel on another satellite.

    - Simultaneous output to HDMI and Scart (RGB) is not supported.

    - Sporadic hangers when zapping during an active HDTV recording

    - Some USB sticks are not recognized so that the Enigma2 installation

    does not work. Reformatting the stick with FAT32 might help.

    IMPORTANT:

    When reporting problems please provide console logs documenting the system

    behaviour.

    DISCLAIMER

    ----------

    The software is provided 'as is' without warranty of any kind.

    Please consider that you may lose manufacturer's warranty when installing

    this image.

    This is an alpha image. That is some functions may not be available or be

    buggy (causing crashes/freezes or loss of data).

    The installation of the Enigma2 image formats (ext2) the internal harddisk

    unless installation on a USB HDD is selected.

    ALL FILES ON THE HARDDRIVE WILL BE LOST. When reverting the installation

    on the internal HDD to the original Topfield firmware all Enigma2 files

    will be lost too.

    Installation instructions

    -------------------------

    You will need either a USB stick or a USB harddrive with FAT32 filesystem.

    - Copy the files Enigma_Installer.tfd, uImage, rootfs.tar.gz and

    Engima_Installer.ini to the USB device. Please read the instructions

    in Engima_Installer.ini on how to modify the installation process.

    - Attach the drive to the USB slot.

    - Open the Topfield firmware update menu and select the image file

    Enigma_Installer.tfd on the USB drive.

    - Start the firmware update from USB. This part is very quick.

    Restart the receiver when the display shows the blinking END

    - After about 6-7 minutes the installation should be finished.

    DO NOT REMOVE THE USB DEVICE UNTIL the INSTALLATION HAS FINISHED or

    THE INSTALLER REQUESTS TO DETACH THE USB DEVICE.

    - When installing to a USB HDD (option usbhdd in Enigma_Installer.tfd)

    the installer will ask you to detach the initial USB device and to

    attach a USB HDD to install to.

    During the installation the VFD shows the current installation step and

    error messages (if any):

    "9 USB STCK" mounting USB stick

    "STCK DETACH" waiting for USB device to be detached (USB HDD installation)

    "HDD ATTACH" waiting for USB HDD to be attached (USB HDD installation)

    "8 HDD PART" partitioning HDD

    "7 HDD FMT" formatting HDD (root fs)

    "6 HDD FMT" formatting HDD (data fs)

    "5 HDD SWAP" creating swap

    "4 ROOT FS" installing root file system

    "3 LOADER" flashing U-Boot settings

    "2 KERNEL" flashing kernel

    "1 FSCK" checking file system

    "0 REBOOT" rebooting within 2 seconds

    When installing to a USB HDD the contents of the internal HDD remain unchanged.

    IMPORTANT: When using the option "keepsettings" in Engima_Installer.ini the

    newer settings (incl. keymap.xml updates) will not be installed.

    It is recommended to attach a cable to the serial port and log the output in a

    terminal program (e.g. TeraTerm, Putty) during the installation and the first

    start. Serial port settings: 115200, 8, N, 1.

    The USB filesystem should be writable to prevent infinite installation loop.

    (The file uImage is renamed to avoid the infinite loop.)

    The first start usually takes approximately 3 minutes due to creation of

    device nodes.

    To uninstall Enigma2, copy your favorite Topfield firmware on your stick and

    rename it to "topfield.tfd" (don't forget to rename uImage_ if necessary). The

    installer will flash the firmware and reboot the Toppy. There have been reports

    that the PVR appears to be dead for about 5 minutes until the picture comes on

    the TV screen. So please be patient. Enigma2 can also be removed by flashing a

    regular Topfield firmware image using standard tools like TFD-Down or VegaPack

    via the serial interface.

    First start

    -----------

    On the first start the Enigma2 interactively configures the video output to be

    used. The following options are available:

    - Component

    - HDMI

    - Scart

    - HDMI-PC

    Each connection type is switched on for 30 seconds. The VFD displays the

    connection type which is currently active. You can either wait until the

    connection type you want is displayed and your TV shows a picture or you

    can select the connection type with Up and Down buttons on the remote control.

    Confirm the desired connection type with the Ok button. After that you can

    proceed with the configuration supported by the configuration wizard.

    The image contains a default channel table. If you want to replace it you can

    perform a channel scan later.

    Network configuration

    ---------------------

    The U-Boot settings contain the following configuration by default:

    MAC address 00:3e:9e:11:22:33

    IP address 192.168.178.100

    That is after booting the image you can login via telnet if your computer is in

    the same subnet.

    These values are set up by the U-Boot. You can change the values

    in Enigma2 menu "Settings/System/Network.../Adapter settings".

    Playback keys

    -------------

    Play - shows the file list

    Pause - pauses playback or activates timeshift

    Stop - stops playback or timeshift

    Record - opens the record dialog for starting stopping recording

    Yellow - pause/unpause playback

    Green - continue playback

    Red - jump to the beginning

    Blue - jump to the next bookmark

    1/3 jump 15 seconds backwards/forwards (configurable in the settings menu)

    4/6 jump 60 seconds backwards/forwards (configurable in the settings menu)

    7/9 jump 5 minutes backwards/forwards (configurable in the settings menu)

    Full key map can be found in the file /usr/local/share/enigma2/keymap.xml.

    Team Ducktales

    Changelog

    ---------

    Version 0.4.1

    ---------------------------------------

    + Feature: added support for USB automount (autofs)

    USB devices are mounted to /autofs/sdb* and /autofs/sdc*.

    The directory appears after first access and is unmounted

    after 5 seconds without access.

    + Change: introduced support for storing the VFD configuration in the EEPROM

    and improved the handling of GMT offset and Daylight Saving Time

    (the date does not have to be set to 1970 after booting)

    + Change: reverted the guard time for shutdown prior to timer events and

    the wakeup guard time (because the smaller values were too short

    when several plugins are started during power-on sequence)

    + Change: improved the animation on the VFD during the Enigma2 start

    + Fix: fixed the problem with starting to record while playback or

    timeshift is active

    + Fix: improved forced shutdown (when the box hangs it should be possible

    to shutdown the box by pressing the power off button for 5 seconds

    instead of unplugging the box from the mains)

    + Fix: added tuxtxt configuration file and a better readable font

    + Fix: added skin_user.xml to prevent green screen on teletext subtitles

    + Fix: recognition and playback of files with the extension .rec

    + Fix: fixed the issue with keyboard blocking the input from remote control

    (now both the keyboard and the RC can be used simultaneously)

    Version 0.4.0

    ---------------------------------------

    + Feature: o added an extended version of TopfieldVFD plugin to

    adjust VFD settings and to control additional icons

    o added displaying clock and Ethernet activity

    o added displaying MP3 tags

    + Feature: added handling for "auto" afterEvent in recording timer

    (deepstandby after recording if woken up by a timer)

    + Feature: recognition and playback of files with the extension .rec

    + Change: reduced the guard time for shutdown prior to timer events from 360

    to 60 seconds (i. e. the box can be shut down up to 60 seconds

    before next recording)

    + Change: reduced the wakeup guard time from 300 to 60 seconds (i.e. the

    box wakes up 60 seconds before next recording)

    + Change: moved mounting /dev/sda3 from rcS to fstab

    + Fix: improved the CAM detection

    + Fix: fixed the U-Boot handling of FAT32, now high-capacity USB sticks

    should be read properly

    + Fix: fixed the issue with the MP3 playlist

    + Fix: re-added the fix to display the Dolby icon on VFD correctly

    + Fix: changed mount options to allow HDD idle without intermittent wakeups

    + Fix: removed duplicate entries in /etc/fstab

    + Fix: fixed AVI audio track selection

    + Fix: fixed playback of AVI files with 23.976fps/24.976fps/29.976fps

    + Fix: re-added the workaround to fix the issue with stopping playback

    while it is paused

    Version 0.3.2

    ---------------------------------------

    + Feature: added support for scrolling VDF strings

    (settable with the command-line tool tffpctl)

    + Fix: fixed the issue with transponder blocked by a recording

    Version 0.3.1

    ---------------------------------------

    + Feature: added support for the lower CI slot

    + Feature: more than 2 simultaneous recordings are possible

    + Feature: added VFD support for displaying some UTF-8 characters (д, ц, ь)

    + Feature: added VFD support for displaying strings in upper case

    (to display strings in lower and upper case comment out the line

    "/bin/tffpctl --allcaps 1" in /etc/init.d/rcS)

    + Update: incorporated the new enigma2 version (05/30/2009)

    + Update: incorporated the new web interface version (06/04/2009)

    + Fix: disabled the HDD standby by default to avoid annoying spindowns/spinups

    + Fix: fixed the issue with multiple recordings on the same transponder

    (timeshift also works while recording on the same transponder)

    + Fix: fixed fast forward for MP3 in MediaPlayer

    + Fix: increased the framebuffer memory to 12MB to allow HD skins

    + Fix: added missing file in Tuxtxt plugin

    + Fix: made timeshift start more stable

    + Fix: fixed mkv video with h264 or divx/xvid

    + Fix: reduced picture artifacts when browsing through e2 menus

    Version 0.3.0

    ----------------------

    + Feature: introduced MediaPlayerExtended

    + Feature: timeshift is now working (still unstable). Press pause key

    to start timeshift and the stop key to stop it. Alternatively

    the timeshift may be stopped by switching to another channel.

    + Feature: added DHCP support

    + Change: mountpoint for sda3 is now set to /hdd (all programs recorded

    before updating will appear after installation in /hdd instead of

    /hdd/movies). The change was required to host timeshift files

    on the sda3 (because they are created in /media/hdd).

    + Update: incorporated the new version of stmfb v22(37)[3.1]

    + Update: added new timezones

    + Fix: fixed displaying the Dolby icon on VFD

    + Fix: fixed the link status in the network menu

    + Fix: switched subtitle color to white

    + Fix: fixed the issue with stopping playback while it is paused

    + Fix: improved audio/video resynchronization after pause

    + Fix: improved CAM handling (especially the performance)

    Version 0.2.1

    ----------------------

    + Fix: updated satellites.xml in /etc/tuxbox

    + Fix: changed the shutdown procedure to prevent corrupting the filesystem

    + Fix: fixed minor issues with tuxtxt

    + Fix: fixed minor issues in CAM handling

    + Fix: fixed the issue with e2 settings not saved during an update or

    reinstallation

    Version 0.2

    -------------------------------------

    + Feature: first beta support for CAMs (upper slot only)

    + Feature: added flashing topfield.tfd (if present on the USB stick) to

    make going back to Topfield firmware easier

    + Feature: freed 16 MB of unused RAM

    + Feature: migrated system partition to ext3 filesystem

    + Feature: migrated to stlinux-2.6.17.14-0041

    + Feature: installation control file (noformat, noupdate, nopartition,

    keepsettings, usbhdd)

    + Feature: enabled installation to a USB HDD (option usbhdd)

    + Feature: improved emergency shutdown policy

    + Change: removed mapping of the keys V- (left) and V+ (right) to volume control

    to avoid problems in various menus. The volume can now be adjusted with

    the keys |< and >|.

    + Fix: the keys V-/V+ can now be used to change entries in the timer menu and

    to scroll page up/page down.

    + Fix: updated the settings for Astra 19°° and added new satellites.xml for

    orbital position 13.0, 19.2 and 23.5 east

    + Fix: applied the SATA patch to fix interactions with HDDs

    + Fix: fixed repeating Diseq commands delaying tuning up to 20 seconds

    + Fix: added swap to /etc/fstab

    + Fix: added the dvr1 device for recording

    + Fix: added updating the network settings to the rcS (activates the user

    settings made in e2)

    + Fix: fixed the issue with "SID not found in PAT" and some scan problems

    + Fix: fixed the issue with low volume

    + Fix: improved shutdown behavior so that the PVR is not turned off before

    the kernel finished unmounting file systems

    + Fix: updated Vader skin (DNS settings, timer)

    + Fix: swapped keys zapUp and zapDown

    + Fix: Daylight Saving Time

    - Fix: no video on the FIRST start after installation

    Version 0.1

    -----------

    * initial release

  4. Andy_Kanevsky

    Респект и уважуха. И думаю, я такой не один.

    У кента этот рес на официалке НТВ+, но он хочет шаринг. Собирались уже новый ресивер покупать. Теперь будем "ломать" этот.

    Есть вопрос - нужно ли как-то дампить имеющееся ПО ресивера перед перепрошивкой и можно ли потом, если что, откатиться назад?

    ничего дампить не надо... вернуться обратно в старую прошивку - вернее залить ее - просто на ту же флешку рядом с теми же файлами - положить файл родной прошивки - которую надо залить с именем topfield.tfd

    Вставить флешку - перезупустить рес.. После нормальной прошивки файл будет переименован - на конце имени появится "_" подчеркивание... Как у Убрать - можно еще раз.. Да.. после возврата на прошивку от завода так сказать - формат винта обязательно.. Ибо загрузчик этих утиные истории винт при замене ПО винт на куски логические пилит.. А вот настройки - на каком был на канале перед перепрошивкой - туда и вернешься..

    И еще.. Самое главное - че мне надо..

    Все рекомендуют ставить на 7710 эмулятор КамД - шарить по протоколу cs357 - мне интересно завести на этом ресе NewCamd525 - думайте, давайте вместе.. У меня борщ полный.. Хотя вроде как все по пунктам.. cs357 пашет = но на моей шаре получаются затыки.. зазазикания и фриииз картинки. NewCamd525 более стабильный протокол.. Подсобите..

  5. Andy_Kanevsky,если не в "напряг" - выложи сюда софт с поддержкой картшаринга,желательно с описанием настроек,нажми "ответить" и прикрепи в zip.формате.

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    Team DuckTales searches for imagebuilders to get some work off our hands.

    So we need you and/or your image team to build the further Enigma2 images

    for Kathrein UFS-910.

    What you get:

    - access to the nightly-builds

    - access to the changelog

    - access to the image build area of our board

    - contact to the whole team in the image build area of our board

    - contact to the other imagebuilders

    What we hope to get from you or your team

    - you have to follow some simple rules which you can read in our image

    build area

    - you are responsible for the time of your image release

    - you can release the images with your own team name

    - you are responsible for the support

    If you are interested to help us you can contact us at

    [email protected]

    Your application should contain some informations about you/your team and your image

    building experiences.

    Greetings from team DuckTales

    прошивка во вложении.. файлы (без папки) записать на флешку в корень.. Потом запустить приложение из меню 7710 - с флешки выбрать Enigma_Installer.tfd - запись загрузчика.. 99.. END.. Перезагрузка... флешку не вынимать... находит флешку.. монтирует.. пишет новый софт.. перезагрузка... ждите 3 минуты.. опять перезагрузка... Все.. настраиваем свой дримбокс 95 тыщ. ... По другому эту прошивку не надовешь.. И что приятно - есть развитие.. Динамика наблюдается..

    AAF_Last_Summer_Dream_TF7700.zip

  6. сам по себе ресивер не предназначен для шаринга,но судя по отзывам по ссылке в ответе № 2,нормально работает на GigaBlue...так зачем рисковать - его и пробуй.

    Ребят.. Для Topfield 7700 он же 7710 прошивка с эмулятором живет и здравствует уже почти пол года.. В основе - Энигма 2.. У меня стоит - Самд3 шарит на ура по локальной сети.

    http://www.sat-universe.com/showthread.php?t=115235 - то как это начиналось..

    тоже много интересного...

    http://www.aaf-board.com/

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